>stevenh...@aol.com (StevenH113) writes: >> This may sound trivial, but we have two shakers and the first has two >> openings in the top and the other one has three openings. Given that both >> shakers are the same size and color, I think the salt should be in the >> shaker with the two holes and my wife thinks the pepper should be in the >> shaker with the two holes.
>> What is the correct choice? If you can, please give a reason for your >> answer.
>> Thanks for your input.
This is an easy one. Pepper, like coffee, should never be allowed to sit around in the ground state. There are many volatile compounds in pepper that are released while grinding and are lost if allowed to just evaporate. So, the salt goes int o the shaker (yes with a little rice) and the pepper goes into a pepper mill.
Samuel Z. Guyer (sa...@cs.utexas.edu) wrote: : I just finished reading this entire thread (yes, I have no life), and : here is my system for deciding the salt and pepper shaker debate.
: Choose your preferred salt-N-pepper category:
: (1) For tradition: Do what your mother told you, or look for the local M.O.
: (2) For health: Salt in the shaker with fewer holes.
: (3) Food snob: Salt in a shaker, pepper in a grinder.
Alternately: (3a) Food and Etiquette snob: Salt in a well (with a salt spoon), pepper in a grinder.
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In article <ROWE.95Nov30102...@sga.excc.exeter.ac.uk> r...@excc.exeter.ac.uk (John Rowe) writes: >Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking >Path: onyx.indstate.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.intern etmci.com!EU.net!peer-news.britain.eu.net!strath-cs!info!rowe >From: r...@excc.exeter.ac.uk (John Rowe) >Subject: Re: Help settle the salt and pepper shaker debate!! >In-Reply-To: shede...@vix.com's message of 29 Nov 1995 00:03:53 -0800 >Message-ID: <ROWE.95Nov30102...@sga.excc.exeter.ac.uk> >Sender: n...@exeter.ac.uk (news admin) >Organization: Physics Dept. - University of Exeter. UK >References: <49ddq8$...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <49flm7$...@newsflash.concordia.ca> > <49gjnk$...@sundog.tiac.net> <49guoo$2...@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> > <49h459$...@gw.home.vix.com> >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:29:54 GMT >Lines: 21 > *It depends on what side of the Atlantic you live on. > * > *In the US....more holes is salt. > *In England....more holes is pepper (salt is usually just one). > * > *Don't know why.
>That's easy - it's because we're smarter :-)
> a) Grains of salt are relatively large and hydroscopic (which makes >them stick together). > b) Particles of ground pepper are relatively small.
>So salt shakers typically have one large hole to let the salt out, >pepper shakers many small holes to spread the pepper evenly. Otherwise >you get no salt and a solid trail of pepper - yuk!
>This isn't exactly considered rocket science over here...
>John (who of course doesn't have a pepper shaker but knows people who >do)
I agree with this logic! Salt is heavier than pepper so it comes out faster and should be in the shaker with fewer holes! Pam
Lyndon Watson (Lyndon Watson) (L.Wat...@csc.canterbury.ac.nz) wrote: : Oh, goody, a religious war...
: Apf...@pfood.win.net (Andy Pforzheimer) writes: : > Ray Bruman (rbru...@netcom.com) writes: : >>Which side of the road should we drive on? : > The right side LEFT !!!
: >>Should wall switches go up or down to turn on the lights? : > Up DOWN!
: >>Put a slash through the letter O or the number zero? : > Neither : OK, I'll give you that one. I put a slash thru Zero. However this is only when I am doing work that needs precision (like programming)
: >>Represent the second day of March as 3/2/96 or 2/3/96? : > 3/2/96 ordinarily it is 2/3/96 Programmers probably use 960302
This is interesting. Before a big mud fight over driving on different sides of the road, etc starts, may I ask a question?
When exactly, did the use of shakers start?
Most of the old historical books, museums,etc show a dish of salt with a little spoon on the table. Pepper was not in evidence at all. I'm guessing it was due to the cost of salt and pepper in those days, but I'm probably wrong.
I actually just posted an on-topic question a second ago, but I can't resist.......
In article <1995Dec6.131214@cantva>, Lyndon Watson <L.Wat...@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> (Lyndon Watson) writes:
|> Oh, goody, a religious war... |> |> Apf...@pfood.win.net (Andy Pforzheimer) writes: |> > Ray Bruman (rbru...@netcom.com) writes: |> >>Which side of the road should we drive on? |> > The right side
I vaguely recall hearing that one of the African countries switched sides of the road when they got their independence from England. And get this.....they did it gradually. (The picture this gives me still makes me numb with wonder.)
|> > |> >>Should wall switches go up or down to turn on the lights? |> > Up |> |> Hmm, two wrong so far...
What about those button things? In for On, out for Off.
|> |> >>Put a slash through the letter O or the number zero? |> > Neither |> |> OK, I'll give you that one.
I've only ever heard of slashing the number, but some fonts really can confuse the reader (especially if it's a string of alphnumerics).
|> |> >>Use a comma or a period for a decimal point? |> > Period |> |> Neither - it's a point raised above the line (hurrah for TeX).
Gotta go with Lyndon.....but man, haven't you heard of LaTex yet? It's much easier.
|> |> >>Represent the second day of March as 3/2/96 or 2/3/96? |> > 3/2/96 |> |> Weird and illogical. (Astronomers, being logical people, would write |> 1996/3/2 so that the time can be added on in the same format as well.) |>
For shame.........what about day of year?? Tsk, tsk, tsk. (Dec. 25, 1995 would be 1995.359)
|> > These are not exactly considered rocket science over here.
Well, most rockets now use LOX (Liquid OXygen). See? Back on topic.
(running away as fast as I can) Lauretta Nagel
|> |> In the too-hard basket, eh? |> |> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |> Lyndon Watson L.Wat...@csc.canterbury.ac.nz |> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Apf...@pfood.win.net (Andy Pforzheimer) writes: > Ray Bruman (rbru...@netcom.com) writes: >>Which side of the road should we drive on? > The right side
>>Should wall switches go up or down to turn on the lights? > Up
Hmm, two wrong so far...
>>Put a slash through the letter O or the number zero? > Neither
OK, I'll give you that one.
>>Use a comma or a period for a decimal point? > Period
Neither - it's a point raised above the line (hurrah for TeX).
>>Represent the second day of March as 3/2/96 or 2/3/96? > 3/2/96
Weird and illogical. (Astronomers, being logical people, would write 1996/3/2 so that the time can be added on in the same format as well.)
> These are not exactly considered rocket science over here.
In article <4a4k51$...@marvel.stsci.edu> na...@stsci.edu (Lauretta Nagel) writes: >From: na...@stsci.edu (Lauretta Nagel) >Subject: Re: Help settle the salt and pepper shaker debate!! >Date: 6 Dec 1995 17:33:21 GMT >This is interesting. Before a big mud fight over driving on different >sides of the road, etc starts, may I ask a question? >When exactly, did the use of shakers start? >Most of the old historical books, museums,etc show a dish of >salt with a little spoon on the table. Pepper was not in evidence >at all. I'm guessing it was due to the cost of salt and pepper in >those days, but I'm probably wrong. >Any ideas? >Lauretta Nagel
I don't know the answer; I do know that my grandmother always used salt cellars instead of shakers...but then, she had a maid, too.
Nancy Dooley
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>This is interesting. Before a big mud fight over driving on different >sides of the road, etc starts, may I ask a question?
>When exactly, did the use of shakers start?
>Most of the old historical books, museums,etc show a dish of >salt with a little spoon on the table. Pepper was not in evidence >at all. I'm guessing it was due to the cost of salt and pepper in >those days, but I'm probably wrong.
>Any ideas? >Lauretta Nagel
I believe pepper wasn't discovered until the other exotic spices were discovered (someone help me out here) by Marco Polo (or some such other adventurer, when they hit aisa/eastern europe, since pepper is not a native plant to western europe or the americas. (but again, I've been wrong before, someone help me out here). I think the first pepper they brought back was East Indian Pepper (white and black).
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> In a recent message STNN...@prodigy.com (Robert Halem) tells us: > *It depends on what side of the Atlantic you live on. > * > *In the US....more holes is salt. > *In England....more holes is pepper (salt is usually just one). > * > *Don't know why. > Maybe because salt is notorious for enhancing flavour? <grin>
Presumably this is the reason Americans put salt in their "beer".
>I actually just posted an on-topic question a second ago, but I can't >resist.......
>In article <1995Dec6.131214@cantva>, Lyndon Watson <L.Wat...@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> (Lyndon Watson) writes: >|> Oh, goody, a religious war... >|> >|> Apf...@pfood.win.net (Andy Pforzheimer) writes: >|> > Ray Bruman (rbru...@netcom.com) writes: >|> >>Which side of the road should we drive on? >|> > The right side
>I vaguely recall hearing that one of the African countries switched >sides of the road when they got their independence from England. >And get this.....they did it gradually. (The picture this gives >me still makes me numb with wonder.)
Busses started going on the right side one weekend,trucks the next, cars the one after that. This makes a lot of sence - gets the public used to the idea gradually. Of course, we tell this story about the Swedes...
> : >>Represent the second day of March as 3/2/96 or 2/3/96? > : > 3/2/96
There's a pretty clear order of rationality here:
96/03/02 is the only truly consistent one and is the international standard. (To be precise, the standard may be 1996/03/02 and I'm not sure if the separators are specified)
2/3/96 (UK) has a logical day-month-year order although it's the *reverse* order to that used by numbers.
3/2/96 (USA) is only defended by those who are do not recognise the distinction between "This is the way we do it" and "This is the best/only way to do it", ie most Americans.
The UK order shows the classic big endian/little endian problem: in numbers the most significant (biggest) element comes first: changing the first digit of a number changes its value by more than changing the last digit. In postal addresses (and UK dates) the most significant element comes *last*: changing the country, which comes last in the address, moves the location by thousands of miles, changing the house number, which comes first by a few yards.
That's probably because in actual practice with addresses and dates you miss off the most significant parts and assume a default: "14 High St" means 14 High St in your town, "14 High St, Exeter" means Exeter in your country or state. "I'll see you on the twenty second" means the twenty second of this month, "I'll see you on the second of March" means the second of next March. I would guess this is why the UK system follows the postal address style and misses out the bits you don't need.
Adding the most significant data at the beginning as in numbers was a very subtle invention which does *not* come naturally but is a very useful trick once you've got it.
Does anybody have any explanation for the origin of the confused US order? (Yes, we say either "the second of March" or "March the second" too.)
You see exactly the same confusion in urls of course:
: Does anybody have any explanation for the origin of the confused US : order? (Yes, we say either "the second of March" or "March the second" : too.) I merely attributed it to the fact that Americans tend to do the opposite of the English and did not think anymore about it. Perhaps this is to differtiate americans form british when they fought for their independence? (I am guessing at this)
eg they drive on the right we on the left they spell differently color instead of colour, encyclopedia instead of encyclopaedia, catalog instead of catalogue, the list goes on... They still measure things on the imperial scale while the rest of the world is in metric (eg gallon instead of litres) the US 1 trillion is actually 1 billion in UK the US 1 quintillion is actually 1 trillion in the UK. The US liquid measure capacity is different form the UK.
that is only a small set of the differences.
Anyway most of the time I shrug and live with it or ignore it.
<Excruciating article mercifully snipped> : And now I realise I've typed in an article on big/little endian : order for rec.food.cooking. That's threads for you :-(
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Ray Bruman <rbru...@netcom.com> wrote: >John Rowe (r...@excc.exeter.ac.uk) wrote: ><Excruciating article mercifully snipped> >: And now I realise I've typed in an article on big/little endian >: order for rec.food.cooking. That's threads for you :-(
>If Yoda such an illuminated Jedi is, why he a reasonable >sentence can't construct? >-- >Ray Bruman rbru...@netcom.com
In article <ROWE.95Nov30102...@sga.excc.exeter.ac.uk> r...@excc.exeter.ac.uk (John Rowe) writes: >Subject: Re: Help settle the salt and pepper shaker debate!! >From: r...@excc.exeter.ac.uk (John Rowe) >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:29:54 GMT > *It depends on what side of the Atlantic you live on. > * > *In the US....more holes is salt. > *In England....more holes is pepper (salt is usually just one). > * > *Don't know why. >That's easy - it's because we're smarter :-) > a) Grains of salt are relatively large and hydroscopic (which makes >them stick together). > b) Particles of ground pepper are relatively small. >So salt shakers typically have one large hole to let the salt out, >pepper shakers many small holes to spread the pepper evenly. Otherwise >you get no salt and a solid trail of pepper - yuk! >This isn't exactly considered rocket science over here... >John (who of course doesn't have a pepper shaker but knows people who >do)
ACTUALLY, I heard a long, long, long time ago, when the earth was young, PEPPER was a very expensive and scarce spice the upperclass folk enjoyed. Since it was scarce, they placed it in a container with smaller holes so it wouldn't come rushing out when tipped over, and be wasted
: Please to make allowances for non English-speaking peoples. Yoda : having low TOEFL. Like self, sub-500. Shankar, Is this a recent score? Judging from what I've read (your articles) I would have expected a score much higher than 500 for you.
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